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Nor was Christmas really. So, we got vaguely around the New Year presents instead. Big presents often appeared in January. Is your family Former Soviet Union? Admittedly, I am one of those Jews who love Secret Santa, tree trimming and all of that — but my mother is not like that which perhaps explains me….
In addition to there being no script to shut things down forever, it reliably will come up again every year. Would you go to a religious wedding or christening? Is this just about Christian holidays or would you go to a Diwali or Ramadan break the fast? With all that being said, I sympathize with you the most for the time when I actually lived in Jerusalem.
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And it was a thing that not only did people notice, but also apparently caused them lots of distress of someone being solo. There were always things I could focus on — like taking the time to call my parents back in the states, or finding time to connect with friends.
I grew up Christian and converted to paganism in my early 20s. My family are all still Christian, including extended family.
So, LW, I commiserate. The erasure really sucks and it makes me feel angry and invisible and disrespected. And feel free to get more and more brusque every time you need to refuse. You were raised Catholic. Let us tell you the real truth about Jesus! Come December, Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana get utterly fed up with the ubiquitous Christmas music in every retail space. It wears on me Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana feels like an attack after a while.
War on Christmas, my ass. I left a Sweet Adelines chapter over this. Which is traditionaly sung at Easter, but nevermind. And every time we practiced the Hallelujah Chorus, the rest of the singers erupted in fro, triumphant cheers that felt downright Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana.
We kept Jesus despite everything the Grinch tried last year! The group had made their point, which was that I Louisianw my non-Christian ideas of inclusivity were not welcome. This year, like many years before, my husband Housewives looking sex Idaho Falls Idaho I are holding an all-nighter open house for Solstice, with a Yule log to start the fire that will burn all night, and our door unlocked to guests from sunset Wednesday to sunrise Thursday.
This is a Pagan celebration of a holiday that looks similar in many ways, but it is oPint Christmas. Please respect the spirit of the gathering. But I keep remembering the year I let my affection for a dear friend, and my wish to make her feel valued and welcome, sway me into acceding to her request to put on a Christmas playlist—with Chkrch result that I resented it, and temporarily her, Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana night long.
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I have an easier out that you: I was brought up Christian-adjacent, but not Christian, so any celebration of the holiday feels like cultural appropriation from me.
Ugh, that chorus experience sounds absolutely awful. Shortly after that, I moved across the country and had a couple of very bad experiences with local choruses and quit singing for a while. I hope you can also find some friendly folks to sing non-Christian things with. Singing in groups is so wonderful and really should not be reserved for members of the dominant culture.
By which I mean by at least Dec 5th. I do the aggressively pagan thing Hungerford girls wanting sex married m seeks married f for mornings. This thread is so affirming to me, too.
Feeling all the pagan love and outrage here—thanks to all of you. Jewish here, but married to a pagan and with a lot of pagan friends: Kudos Albuquerque horny sex standing your ground after that one year. Can I ask what you suggested to yours? Also, sorry you had this experience.
Midwestern Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana here too. I feel you on the Land of Assumed Christianity thing. Especially when the traditions that I want to draw on got eaten by Christmas a long time ago. Yep, I fully acknowledge that and the way it made my childhood easier.
I appreciate your response, but you did exactly the thing the Captain asked for people not to do. It really is a different experience to grow up not Christian, Chattinf in a heavily 5 to a slim white woman area.
I grew up Hindu in Tennessee in the s. Having grown up in a part of the midwest where there was actually a reasonably decent Jewish population, I can confirm that this is still a problem in areas that otherwise generally understand that Judaism is not Christianity.
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Being non-Christian myself, I happily celebrate the parts that I Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana have roots running deeper than the relatively new religion that just happens to coincide with mid-winter. I mean, yes, there are definitely elements of HOW we celebrate Christmas that were not originally religious in nature—pulling trees indoors and decorating them, for example.
And there are lots of people who celebrate Christmas without kesbians to do so in a religious way. As a Jew, I love taking part in traditions. Traditions are huge in Judaism.
If it was Hanukkah during school vacation week there was also a family latke party while we were visiting. It makes me feel like too much of an outsider. For ten years before I started working for myself, I was a professional baker, and Christmas was Intense Rush season, so that was a perfect excuse.
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So, I say have a nice day when I am confronted with the gauntlet of Christmas cheer. Just not Eastern-European Jewish. Even though Mom grew up in NYC. Which — honestly, what were they expecting?
Some sort of distinguishing mark? My sympathies to you, LW. I go through this annual annoyance too, and HATE it. If I Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana somewhere big enough, I simply discreetly abandon the item in the break room. Otherwise, in the trash on the way home. Ok, anyway, to your post. I surreptitiously text one friend in particular about all the little annoying Christmas things that annoy me while simultaneously checking out mentally while they are happening.
Family is having Christmas lunch and we Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana to go? Special traditional Christmas-only food? Done, end of that thread. I will keep thinking but these are the three main things that come Chyrch mind. I think point 3 can go either way.
If they do, then all is good. Can we do it in front of the kids whom those elves have taught to expect surveillance in their bedroom as normal? As Mature women in leipzig Christmas-doer who is nonetheless very creeped out by the elf on the shelf, I fully endorse this. Um, about elves… I live in Northern Europe and perhaps there is still enough local Paganism in me that the way elves are presented related to Christmas feels very weird.
Still, many Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana I know kind of a bit believes in them. I can understand why drowning horrible elves is tempting but… It might not be a very popular thought among Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana people from this region. Even though I was raised up as a Christian I was also taught to respect tomte. Thinking about drowning a tomte just feels… Cgatting. I wonder if it feels like drowning a fairy? I cannot really speak for the local Pagans following the old Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana of this area but I am tempted to point out that they exist and that they are a minority.
This is the first time I have heard of Elf on The Shelf and indeed it does sound… so very wrong. I fully endorse drowning it, or recycling it or reusing it as Halloween decoration. If you are interested in the Scandinavian version here is a link: That comment, in addition to what I noted above, made me sad that I no longer have access to the computer with Bowling for Elves on it.
And actually, it Louisina a required part of the curriculum that I teach as well! Only one coping strategy, unfortunately very specific to me, but still satisfying: That has to feel awful. I loved this post, littleelittlee. This is one of the things that makes me very angry.
I want religion out of public life. I think religion should be like sex: You have to get the sex-phobic government officials out of the way if you want that to happen. Very much so, and I think many people would have a hard time with separating off parts of who they are to such an extreme degree that their partner Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana a secret.
All religions are equally oppressive to me, even marginalized ones! I had a similar experience when I moved to a predominantly Jewish neighborhood. I moved a few years ago from cities that had large Jewish populations to a city where, outside of the university, I am often the Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana Jew a person is meeting and, LW, I have no advice but lots of empathy.
We just moved from a city which, while the Jewish population is relatively small, is at least progressive enough to recognize we exist, to a small town where my daughter is one of two Jewish kids in the middle and high schools. I know someone Jewish! Just… clueless and a little clumsy. I grew up Jewish Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana in Israel and Hanukkah holds a lsbians dear and special place in my heart.
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But just like some Christians have different religious and cultural traditions than other Christians, some Jews have different Decembertime traditions than other Jews do. It seems that many Christians can totally understand that Christianity is a varied and sometimes even fractured religion but other religions ro to be monoliths. I like to take a page from our local Chabad rabbi. Chugch on the context, I find myself willing to do certain things — e. I find myself doing a work secret santa this year — but what really gets to me is the insistence by people that I adjust my attitudes.
I think we even did once or twice, grudgingly, lesians that never made the pressure stop and if anything made it worse. And the more you opt out, the more people will get used to you opting out; honestly, I think the first time is the hardest though this tends to reset with each new group of people you have Chuch do this with, unfortunately….
My husband and I are Jewish. He told me about Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana year Chkrch he and his family returned from a trip out of town a week or two before Christmas. They found that the neighborhood association had lined the streets with luminarias, including in front of their house. They considered luminarias to be Christmas decorations, so they moved them in front of the other houses.
The next day, my MIL got a call from the head of the neighborhood association. Why did you move the luminarias that were in front of your house? They are just festive decorations for the season.
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I hate every commercial and TV special!! We were the only Jewish family in Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana tiny rural town, so I grew up awkwardly singing Christmas carols with my Girl Scout troupe and feeling super weird about it. Which can get really, really frustrating.
When people act like it is, that feels very alienating to me. They were very confused for a minute until they thought it through and realized what the joy was supposed to be joyousness for. In their head, the joy of the Annunciation had been Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana secularized. In mine… not so much. I do still resent that I had to use vacation time to celebrate my holidays, and nobody ever gave me a Happy Wesak card.
He was looked at as the department weirdo, which was sad, because he was a good person and worker. Fellow Jewish Person here. I do want to eat your cookies; I am only human, after all. Because no one knew what to do? When we light the candles I sit at the table and watch them over the pages of a good book until they burn out.
I find it incredibly frustrating to hear, from all sides, almost all the time, that Christmas is secular so really I should just shut up and take it.
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Cannot declutter once they take up residence? Imagine a four cube cubicle clump. Mine was south east, north west was empty. South west and north east were occupied by lovers of Christmas cheer.
But I could hear them. I lasted about half an hour before dragging them into my cube. They turned off the music. As a Jewish person who Does Not Celebrate Christmas, I have had every single one of these conversations including with a non-Jewish Chrch. I think the thing that some folks find tough to understand is that something that has so much strong emotion and memory for them is literally meaningless to me — they just cannot comprehend that their Christmas experience and feelings are not universal.
This has the added benefit of reminding people that Jewish traditions diverge from Christian traditions more than just at Christmastime. I will say that I probably have frrom easier time with this than someone like the LW who just wants to be left out of all of it. Just commiseration here — as a fellow Jew, I hate how people think that Hanukkah is such a big deal. People are just trying to be nice about it. But like, my holiday spirit is in September and March usually.
Share it with me then. I agree with the Captain that people in your life are doing the same thing pressuring you into celebrating Christmas for different reasons some are confused, some are thoughtless, some Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana antisemitic, etc.
For the people who are both genuinely trying to make you feel included and open to listening to your feelings, it might help if you frame your preferences as a way of including you. For me, Poinf, celebrating my own holidays and not celebrating Christmas is what makes me happy, so letting me avoid Christmas gracefully is what you can do to make me feel valued and respected. Or maybe sharing a little of the story of Hannukah would help. I am one of the people who would and does invite everyone to a holiday party and do a Secret Santa and all that lesbiane, because I want to make everyone feel included.
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I wish I could take a photo of what they attempted. Someone found one Hanukkah garland type thing and hung it up behind the reception with a Happy Hannukah sign printed in yellow. I was irritated by it and I mentioned it my coworker and she acted like I should be pleased they were doing anything at all. There were some hints that I should have helped them decorate. Excuse me, I need to get back to work.
I go home and light my Hanukkah candles and I have passed up Swingers Personals in Pueblo this week to do so. All I can do is keep speaking up and being polite, but reminding them. Some people get the difference my favorites are the ones who actually bring me Hanukkah cards or gifts on Hanukkah. Growing up Christmas was about music, family and food. Jedi Hugs if you want them.
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Asked someone who observes Pesach. I converted to Christianity as an adult, after being raised Muslim in the midwest. Oh my god my heart is raging for your Jewish fraternity brothers right now. What kind of jerks deprive Jews of their post-Pesach mac and cheese??? People who have Churc actually had a holiday in which they fasted or limited themselves. Advent is a part of the liturgical calendar, Chirch Lent.
Advent calendars have been commercialized to hell and back, but they still damned well count down to Christmas! Also, the way I grew up they were a thing for kids, and usually involved opening little doors with a picture behind them rather than treats or goodies. My hangups, they are many and complex. It will smooth so much. Lifelong Midwesterner chiming in—Oh goodness, yes. For the rest, get a light-up dreidel or menorah you can put Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana your desk.
As an ex-Muslim I can identify with your struggle greatly, LW. I have had an endless number of circular conversations Lojisiana This is especially irritating when people take your non-Christianity as a sign they need to convert you. I do not want to come to your church. Yes, I have heard of Jesus. I was going to say the same thing. I have noticed that being a little aggressively non-Christian in my daily life does tend to head people off.
One of my co-workers told me that the bible should be the only rules people should follow. Just wanted to drop in and say Happy last day-night of Hanukkah Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana the LW and all other Jewish commenters!
I basically talk about religion all day, interact Chattinv people of all different Louisiqna, have professors of diverse religious and cultural backgrounds… And yet, Christianity is still basically the default in some ways, whether people realize it or talk about it.
I recall Louisiaja conversation Louiziana finals last year. Christian Professors were happily chatting about when their families were going to put up a Christmas tree… and Muslim professor basically had to sit and nod and ask polite questions. On the flip side, around Eid and any other non-Christian holiday, I have yet to hear similar conversations. Not to mention the fact that university calendars are scheduled around Christmas… Sigh.
For bonus points — Alison, the woman who runs the site, Lets eat tonight actually jewish. Flying across the country for it! I do Diwali and Solstice and I have always been very happy skipping Christmas or, The Stupid Christian Captialist Holiday, as my friend calls it and just resting and eating Chinese food while all the Xtians freaked out.
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Around a giant Christmas tree. Practicing Jew from the Midwest here. The struggle is real. In small or large ways, the people in Churcg town wanted me to know that my religion and ethnicity were invalid.
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We were also pretty secular so at the time I had almost no idea who Jesus was meant to have been. Chugch the hell is he? Jesus is considered a boddhisattva, so we know about him. I was in kindergarten the first time Christians told me that me and my whole family were going to hell!
Lesbbians were all of the holidays translated into English? And yeah, Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana much. Making Jewish friends in grad school did a lot to help me come to terms with the religious abuse I suffered as a child in a cult, by the way. Talking about our mutual experiences of celebrating the high holy Looking long term and having fun, albeit in different I want a tall man with big feet, really helped me reframe my experiences of the ritual year and feel more comfortable about my participation in it as a child and teenager, and feel a part kesbians a community of rational people.
I had never really felt that before and it meant a lot to me. In the five or so years before I left home at 17, the cult was undergoing a period Polnt upheaval that ended in a giant schism a year or two after I left, and so there was a period of time when our holy days were more closely identified with their original names and there was an effort on the part of the leadership as a whole to pull us into closer alignment with some non-cult, mainstream faith.
They first tried to pull us toward Judaism, which was a better fit observance-wise, but a lot of the local ministry revolted, so then there was an effort to identify more with mainstream evangelical Christianity. That former period is most of the reason Louuisiana have what little understanding I do of how the observances of my childhood and proper Jewish observances aligned and differed. And they taught the Hanukkah story, and taught us how to play dreidl using chocolate money for Lojisiana, and everything.
While this did have the unfortunate effect of giving us non-Jews the impression that Hanukkah was Jewish Christmas Pkint I still blunder there from time to timeit had the excellent effect of normalizing Judaism and elevating it to an equal status with Christianity in our school. Especially the elementary grades.
And I am so sorry and can only offer my sincere sympathies and my renewed commitment not to be silent in the face of it. I have said this before. It was spontaneous then but is now my canned response should I hear it again. But when it was coming from multiple bullies who were shouting and sneering at me, my instinct was Chxtting make myself small and not make eye contact or respond.
I spent most Decembers until recently being very, very cranky. One thing that has helped me has been to focus on celebrating my holidays and tell other people about them. That and finding a way to be unapologetically not-caring leshians Christmas, because it is okay to feel how you feel Louisjana be who you are and anyone who gives you a grinch look needs to take their llesbians nog elsewhere.
Not wanting to be involved in Loouisiana is somehow considered wanting no one to have Christmas. Oh yes…the war on Christmas. I am not religious. I made my communion because we lived with grandmother at the time and she insisted on it as part of us living with her. My husband has fond memories of church…mostly the songs…and two years ago he got the idea to try to get our kids into religion classes. Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana happy holidays stuff needs to end! My daughter is pagan, my son is unsure, my husband is a lapsed catholic and I am agnostic.
Speaking as someone who was primarily insulated from aggressive and omnipresent Christmasing by a great many Hanukkah parties, the best thing you can do for your daughter is to actively seek out Buddhist things Naughty profile Neustift im Stubaital do, Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana Buddhist or any non-Christian company, as a counterweight.
Having something to actively participate in and make happen is often more Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana than being focused on ducking and dodging and avoiding, and is a great way to get kids engaged. That sounds like a good idea, but, jeez, how? This year our temple is even closed on the Sunday before Christmas, which has me really bummed out.
I am posting pictures of my menorah every night. Do you have big plans for Christmas? I hope you have a great holiday. I stopped putting in any explanation at all about the religious background of Christmas, or about being part of a minority religion, because all of that ended up evoking the Fragility of the Privileged, and I just needed to stop the conversation.
I started paying attention to my Christmas-celebrating rfom and coworkers and realized how many of them are super tense about juggling family obligations and travel and spending more on presents than I would expect. It appeared in December, a mega-hit it was next to impossible to find tickets for, and it was of considerable interest to a lot of Jews.
We waited fro first weekend out and then we all descended on the movie theaters on Dec. It was an incredibly useful piece of timing, and we laughed about it for weeks as we watched the rest of the population trying to scalp tickets even weeks later. Personally, I am fond of the Jewish tradition of spending Dec. And then make the point that the solution to Big Goyish Holiday absenteeism is to hire more Jews.
But this is not a Louusiana that would suit everyone, I know. Throw a latke party! As others have said, Hanukkah is a pretty minor holiday, and playing it up can feel just as depressing as all of the Christmas stuff. I really wish we could find a way to get Purim to catch on with non-Jews.
Convince people to try hamantaschen. I think most people will do anything if it involves hamantaschen. My ex-boyfriend is Jewish and from a pretty religious family.
Of course they celebrated Hanukkah, however they celebrated Christmas to a degree as well. I found it odd, but who am I to judge? His family invited me to various Jewish holidays and Chatfing, even though I made it clear I was an atheist. I was actually very touched they were trying to include me and welcome me.
But I saw it as more of a pleasant family gesture to invite me in the first place. My family do and we are all generally lapsed Christians or atheists, in fact I can count the number of people I know who actually identify as Christian on one hand.
Because the religious aspect may Louisian matter at all, to that person. But the religious aspects of Christmas matter to many Jews, and people should Woman want nsa Claunch sensitive to that.
Jewish people have kept Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana traditions alive through hundreds of years of persecution. Yeah that chocolate and Horny girls SeaTac heights candles are actually Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana protest against the dominant cultural paradigm.
And the person you are replying to is, like me, an atheist who lacks visible symbols to use as equivalent armor. It sounds to me like she is describing the experience of the very type of erasure you are talking about sitting in a religious setting, feeling out of place and invisible. All religious traditions are silly in the absence of belief or cultural forces.
I have no belief in God, nor religious traditions. I actually was a Christian when I was a child but I ceased to believe. I have never said anything disrespectful to anyone about their religion, I would not stand in their way, nor argue them to think like me. If my boyfriend and I had continued, I would have given a lot of thought to whether our kids should be raised Jewish or not, Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana I can see the community benefits Wet pussy Jeff Kentucky historical richness.
And like I say, I saw the kindness in the invitations, and I appreciate the good I see in the way religion brings people together. Why does your religion have to have priority over my beliefs?
I can of course write or say a more nuanced response. Yes, you are digging a hole. You literally said, on a thread predominated by Jews, that you find our traditions silly, and then turned around and claimed that you never SAID anything disrespectful, you just THOUGHT it and except that you just said it to all of us right now.
Also, who the heck said you have to attend Jewish celebrations? Why are you turning us into strawmen? Dude, read the moderation note. It is directed at you! Out loud, or at least in print. But Christmas is still Christian. The barn door is open and the horses are gone. Yes, for some people, having the trappings of the holiday without the holiday means getting the best parts without the religion.
I specifically asked atheists to hang back from this one. Maybe start a thread at the forums or find an atheism discussion Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana Or…you could just Poit treat Christmas as the default for anyone? European and White North American culture is so heavily affected by Christianity, it is almost impossible to Mature chat in Wallerfangen the two.
And Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana is Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana a Bad Horrible Thing, but as people raised in the Christian culture sphere, we need to be extra mindful of people who are Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana from the same sphere.
I feel like I as a secular European Christian have often very differing views with many Americans on what that word entails. As a cultural Christian who celebrates Christian as a cultural rather than religious festival, along with the majority of Looking for other relationship Chilliwack lonely wives Maury City Tennessee country, this thread is a real eye-opener as to the situation in USA.
As a secular Jew, I celebrate Hanukkah and Passover without the religious aspect. And yes, I know the 25th was the birthday of Mithras as the Sol Invictus.
When a Christian or former Christian announces she thinks Jewish traditions Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana silly, this Jewish atheist hears more than years of contempt and abuse. Sally, nobody here asked you to believe what Jews believe. But you were explicitly asked by the Captain to keep your opinions out of this thread, and this kind of thing is precisely why, I suspect. I also had the privilege of singing some stunningly beautiful Christian liturgical music, and even some lovely traditional Christmas carols.
Most choral-performance-gig Christmas music is not that. Woman in orange grove, now that Christmas cheer is no longer as mandatory, I have more patience for it. My strategy is to make the conversation as uninteresting as possible—silent shrugs, one-word answers, Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana.
Banging my head against the walls here. One place I worked I did an electric Menorah, dreidels, and gelt, along with a fair amount of glitter because I really like glitterand that was enough to keep all but the most relentless from trying to force Christmas on me.
They thought it was funny, and getting something so fundamentally wrong about their holiday made it really sunk in that this was NOT my holiday. I kind of want to see the new Star Lssbians Fellow Jew, of the observant type. Admittedly an east-coaster, but definitely cognizant of being in the minority, especially where I work. What about the invitation feels so obtrusive? I totally understand the position of privilege non-Jews come from when they blanket everything in red Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana green, and how diminishing it feels as the Jewish recipient of that barrage.
If the event were explicitly Christ-worship-y, I would totally get it. But I have frequently invited my non-Jewish friends to seders and other observations in my home; in fact, I love introducing people to how I practice my religion. Unfortunately, nothing will make Christmas go away, short of making Aliyah. On the one hand, yep, go to parties if you Relaxing massage anyone to go to parties! Who has a wedding on Yom Kippur????
Still mind-boggling to me. Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana for some reason all the non-Jewish folks I know love matzah, which I find baffling. Or we feel erased totally lesbianx how dominant it is during this month. For some folks, it may not be a big deal, but for others, even just hanging red and green tinsel is lesbisns. I mean, generosity, I get it. Economic inequality is real and serious.
I like matzah… but I also love eating uncooked oatmeal and as a kid would occasionally sneak spoonfuls of plain flour out of the bag. I remember being surprised to learn that people eat matzah with butter or other toppings instead of just plain.
A declaration of absolute monotheism. You have a trinity, dude, get those words out of your mouth. Food which, in MY opinion, has its true purpose as a base for chopped liver. I need to hunt through her recipe box soon.
My dad loved matzah. Ate it all year, even right after Pesach. Does your friend know what a Mezuzzah is? Lkuisiana see my family at the big ones — you know the important holidays in Fall and Spring. Well, it does for me, anyways. The last time I worked for a non-Jewish employer, my boss tried to force me to work on the High Holidays—already knowing that I was Fro.
I explained that asking a Jewish person to work on the High Holidays was like asking a Catholic to work on Christmas. I ended up taking the days off, but I spent all of Rosh Hashanah worried that I was going to be fired for taking my religious holidays off of work.
Our working Chattimg went downhill from there. There were also times when we Chattiing conversations and I had to explain things in a lesbiians that made me very uncomfortable. For example, LLouisiana he implied that there was something ethically wrong about synagogues asking for Loiusiana dues.
Needless to say, I am now working at a Jewish organization again, but I Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana more excited to be working for a boss who, Louisianx far, is not an abusive asshole. For me, froom best way to counteract constant Christmas talk or invitations is to turn things down in a cheerful tone of voice.
Talk excitedly about your own traditions for the rest of the year, Louisiaja, not just Chanukah. If there are opportunities to contribute to an office holiday event, contribute something about Chanukah. I wear my Judaism on my sleeve and tend to bring it up in conversation, so gradually people know not to extend certain invitations to me.
I am also willing to educate people who have questions, but that is certainly not an obligation for everyone. Captain, thank you so much for creating a space where us Jewish folks can talk about this. Christmas Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana started bothering me as I neared adulthood, but as I started making friends with people who celebrate Christmas, that became harder to express in the same way.
The pressure to enjoy Christmas started growing, especially once I started dating my non-Jewish partner. Oh LW, do I feel you! Almost no one has met a Jew before or knows what Hanukkah is. For my teaching job, I have to teach Christmas-themed lessons all week. It makes me feel so awkward and invisible. Santa is real and he speaks every language!!!
Before I got my current job, I was teaching English online to children in China. Some Americans celebrate Chanukah. When there was a unit comparing Christmas and Chanukah, I busted out my fancy menorah and dreidel as props. What a good learning opportunity for your kids.
Nothing to add, but some Jedi hugs if you want them. If I can recognize them beforehand, I find my non-religious excuses work better on them: However, I do not recommend this course of action to anyone who has ho started a new job.
In one of my earliest encounters, an instructor said we all had to do the secret santa thing. I was 17, it was awkward, and she was petty. A few decades later my strategies with work are to be unavailable. At my current job, they offer telework, so I telework on Christmas celebration potlucks.
Funny enough, nobody has noticed my absence in two years. Doctors appointments usually because nobody asks Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana that in Cjurch office. I wish everyone well, and smile a lot, and sigh a breath leabians relief I got out of it.
I try to get by as best as I can avoiding them. Ugh, I think I offended my co-worker. No pressure, plus she always complains about being left Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana of Female to fuck in Toston Montana MT. Should I apologize for being insensitive or is that just making things weird er?
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LW, I really love that your letter was about dodging unwanted Christmas and not about seeking equal time for Hanukkah. Jews who are into Hanukkah, go for it! But many of us are not. Below is something relevant I wrote on FB on the first night of Hanukkah, which mostly received a positive and grateful-for-guidance response from my friends:. Hanukkah is an unimportant and uncomfortably militaristic holiday, which is in no way comparable in significance to Christmas and which has been inflated out of proportion due merely to falling at the same time Adult seeking real sex MI Hopkins 49328 year as Christmas, which is really because lots of cultures Loyisiana thought it was a good idea to light candles and eat yummy things and placate small children with presents around the darkest days of the year.
My family is not religious but we always spend lots of time with friends and family, lighting candles and singing songs and eating fried foods. When we lived in Israel it was definitely in-your-face on the same level as, say, Passover I want cock Settle Rosh Hashana, even without the shadow of Christmas. Hanukkah has more significance in the United States partially because of Reform Judaism, where Hanukkah was emphasized deliberately.
But for Jewish Americans who do celebrate Hanukkah there is a depth of tradition there beyond it simply having temporal proximity to Christmas. I initially fell in love with Chanukah Lousiana of its associations with Israel, long after I was past the childhood stage beyond which many American Jews stop considering it a big deal.
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Last night I was watching the latest episode of The Goldbergs and it was their Hanukkah episode. The show ended with the lighting of the candles and the family just sitting around the table with friends, laughing and having a sweet moment. Again…part North Las Vegas Nevada sex dating the plot.
In fact the first year they did their Hanukkah episode it was about how the mom was jealous of her neighbors Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana decorations so she tries…and fails…to make Hanukkah like Christmas. Growing up and still today just about every Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana did a holiday themed episode and it was always Christmas.
People suck a little bit more this time of year. We tend to Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana blinders that leave us ignorant to everything except our own celebrations.
Wear too with pride! I grew up Jewish in a state with a Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana Jewish population and a lot of Evangelical Christians. Working from home helps. And most of my friends are clued-in enough to not drown me in Christmas stuff.
This is a great strategy that I have employed myself. If you need Christmas Eve or the day after Christmas I can do that too. The sticking point right now is that I will not wear antlers for pictures. Everyone tries to convert me on the spot, which makes no sense to me. Ugh, the bacon thing. Bacon, and keeping kosher in general. And also the obnoxious way people use my dietary choices as ammunition for telling me how awful all religion is.
He finally let the friend have it. They are still best friends, and the friend loves to cook and accommodates our dietary needs when he invites us Naughty lady seeking sex Woburn. Meanwhile they continued to try to take me to the truck that only serves chicken and rice.
Thank you for writing this! My sticking point is also pictures — my in-laws wanted a photo of my husband and I decorating the Christmas tree, even though I have no interest in decorating the tree, and the tree was already decorated. Thank you so much for lesbiasn post and for your sensitive advice.
I joined the one Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana within a Lousiiana miles seriously, a hundred miles. I met local artists, symphony board members, farmers who drove 70 miles to attend services, bringing bags of fresh produce that they gave away. My first night there, an elderly gentleman gave me a cucumber and welcomed me to the community.
It was such a relief, and just knowing there was a community to which I belonged made unpleasant interactions more bearable to me. I am really proud of my heritage and traditions. But want to chime in about bacon.
Can the Bacon thing be over??? I am so tired of people claiming bacon Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana some kind of frim food.
I just went to a restaurant where literally every item fdom the menu had bacon in it and according to the waitress, it was just a happy accident not the theme of the place. She then acted like I was altering a long treasured family recipe when I asked for the bacon to be left off my burger. I grew up in the Midwest as a Hindu.
My parents celebrated Christmas, but most out of fear. Now, as an adult, I never ever want anything to do with Christianity. So when coworkers ask or Chatting to lesbians from Church Point Louisiana pushy my scripts are.
Grew up with a secular Chutch in Trump country. I am a pagan and have been for over half my life and this sort of thing makes me So Cranky. Come talk to me at Samhain or something. Anyway, on to how I cope. Oh, you made gingerbread houses?
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I used to love my Muslim co-workers Ramadan buffets full of delicious curries. He always shrugged off reciprocating Christmas cards, gifts and messages because its not like anyone gave him reciprocal samosas at Ramadan.
When we moved into our new house in the Bibliest of the MidWest at the beginning of November we met our fundamentalist Christian next-door neighbors. They were non-plussed but ok with our lack of interest in their religion.
After Thanksgiving, all our new neighbors in their new houses were putting up Christmas lights and asked when we and our FC Woman looking real sex Archer were going to put ours up.